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Sir C Luo as

As we have accepted the Governor's proposals

there is not much use in sending this complaint out. We had

better answer it ourselves.

The facts are the st. The disastrous typhoon of Sept 06

showed the necessity of a shelter for native craft etc.

The original estimate was roughly fixed at 600,000 dollars

but when it came to the point it proved that the cost would be much greater- about $1,540,000 ● which must be added

another 70,000 for dredging. In present circumstances this

is a very large sum to provide from general revenue and

accordingly the Governor proposed that half should be paid

from balances and half by a temporary additional tax on shipping. (see 11861- for details) Part of this tax-(which takes the form of an increase to the so-called Light Dues)

appears to fall on river steamers- who will probably to some extent

benefit directly. The rest it was proposed to raise by

a half increasing the dues on ocean-going ships by one cent per ten. Subsequently it was decided that the increase should only

be one cent, thus just doubling the existing dues. This is

what the present letter is protesting against.

The scheme is considered to be imperative by the Govern- ment and we have approved it. We regret far more than the P and O C. can, the heavy cost (see desp on 27987) but we have acquiesced. (The exact details of the scheme still await the decision of the Consulting Engineers) Half the cost of the work is being defrayed from balances - i.e. by the general community- and it seems to me per- fectly reasonable that the shipping should pay the rest. The idea underlying this letter appears to be that nobody

should be taxed for anything that is not immediately bene- ficial to him. This is new doctrine, the adoption of which

in this country might inconvenience the Chancellor of the

Exchequer. Moreover by parity of reasoning it might be

argued that as certain harbour expenditure is for the benefit of ocean-going steamers only therefore only ocean-going steamers should pay for the

provision of e.g. buoys. The principle is in question.

These shipping firms make their profit by trading with

Hong Kong and their profits may reasonably be taxed.

Moreover para 8 of 11861 shows that the work is really

a convenience to all the shipping frequenting the har-

bour.

The suggestion that Light dues should only be raised to pay for lights is a red-herring of the best type. The dues are raised under section 32 of the Merchant Shipping Ordinance as

"Light or other dues" The dues on ocean-going steamers are levied on all shipping which enters the waters of the colony. Nothing is said about lights and it is quite reasonable to argue that they are levied as a toll for permission to use the anchorage. They might equally well be called "Anchorage dues" or "Harbour dues" or "Port Dues" or blackmail if the P & O

prefer it. In fact in 11861 the Governor said that he had thought of calling them 'Harbour Dues" but had decided not to do so as people were used to the old name.

It is worth mentioning that the dues were 24 cents per

ten until Dec 1907.

? Reply that the S of S regrets the necessity of incur-

ring so large an expenditure but that the Government of

the Colony considers it indispensable and that he is not

prepared to reject their advice in such a matter; that the

work is being carried out in accordance with the best

professional advice and that it will be done as economic-

ally as is consistent with efficiency.

that the general community is paying for half of the

cost and that the S of S considers that, having regard to

the present financial situation, they cannot be expected

to do more and that he sees nothing unreasonable in levying

a tax on shipping for improvements to the harbour which that shipping uses even though the particular improvement

in question is not of immediate benefit to ocean-going steamers but that as a matter of fact (see para 8)

of 11861) all shipping really benefits indirectly by the new work. And as to the question of Light dues observe

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Sir C Luo as As we have accepted the Governor's proposals there is not much use in sending this complaint out. We had better answer it ourselves. The facts are the st. The disastrous typhoon of Sept 06 showed the necessity of a shelter for native craft etc. The original estimate was roughly fixed at 600,000 dollars but when it came to the point it proved that the cost would be much greater- about $1,540,000 which must be added another 70,000 for dredging. In present circumstances this is a very large sum to provide from general revenue and accordingly the Governor proposed that half should be paid from balances and half by a temporary additional tax on shipping. (see 11861- for details) Part of this tax-(which takes the form of an increase to the so-called Light Dues) appears to fall on river steamers- who will probably to some extent benefit directly. The rest it was proposed to raise by a half increasing the dues on ocean-going ships by one cent per ten. Subsequently it was decided that the increase should only be one cent, thus just doubling the existing dues. This is what the present letter is protesting against. The scheme is considered to be imperative by the Govern- ment and we have approved it. We regret far more than the P and O C. can, the heavy cost (see desp on 27987) but we have acquiesced. (The exact details of the scheme still await the decision of the Consulting Engineers) Half the cost of the work is being defrayed from balances - i.e. by the general community- and it seems to me per- fectly reasonable that the shipping should pay the rest. The idea underlying this letter appears to be that nobody should be taxed for anything that is not immediately bene- ficial to him. This is new doctrine, the adoption of which in this country might inconvenience the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Moreover by parity of reasoning it might be argued that as certain harbour expenditure is for the benefit of ocean-going steamers only therefore only ocean-going steamers should pay for the provision of e.g. buoys. The principle is in question. These shipping firms make their profit by trading with Hong Kong and their profits may reasonably be taxed. Moreover para 8 of 11861 shows that the work is really a convenience to all the shipping frequenting the har- bour. The suggestion that Light dues should only be raised to pay for lights is a red-herring of the best type. The dues are raised under section 32 of the Merchant Shipping Ordinance as "Light or other dues" The dues on ocean-going steamers are levied on all shipping which enters the waters of the colony. Nothing is said about lights and it is quite reasonable to argue that they are levied as a toll for permission to use the anchorage. They might equally well be called "Anchorage dues" or "Harbour dues" or "Port Dues" or blackmail if the P & O prefer it. In fact in 11861 the Governor said that he had thought of calling them 'Harbour Dues" but had decided not to do so as people were used to the old name. It is worth mentioning that the dues were 24 cents per ten until Dec 1907. ? Reply that the S of S regrets the necessity of incur- ring so large an expenditure but that the Government of the Colony considers it indispensable and that he is not prepared to reject their advice in such a matter; that the work is being carried out in accordance with the best professional advice and that it will be done as economic- ally as is consistent with efficiency. that the general community is paying for half of the cost and that the S of S considers that, having regard to the present financial situation, they cannot be expected to do more and that he sees nothing unreasonable in levying a tax on shipping for improvements to the harbour which that shipping uses even though the particular improvement in question is not of immediate benefit to ocean-going steamers but that as a matter of fact (see para 8) of 11861) all shipping really benefits indirectly by the new work. And as to the question of Light dues observe
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Sir C Luo as As we have accepted the Governor's prepesals there is not muck use in sending this complaint out. We had better answer it ourselves. The facts are the st. The disastreus typheen of Sept 06 showed the necessity of a shelter for native eraft etc. The original estimate was roughly fixed at 600,000 dollars but when it came to the peint it preved that the cost would i be much greater- about $1,540,000 which must be added anether 000 70,00 før dredging. In present cireumastances this is a very lagge sun to provide from general revenue and accordingly the Gaverner preposed that half should be paid from balances and half by a temperary additional tax en shipping. ( see 11861- for details) Part of this tax-(which takes the form of an increase to the so-called Light Dues) appearath falls on river steamers- whe will probably' to some extent benefit directly. The rest it was proposed to raise by a a half increasing the dues en @cean-going ships by one cents per ten Subsequently it was decided that the increase should only be one cent, thus just doubling the existing dues. This is what the present letter is pretesting against. The scheme is considered to be imperative by the Govern- ment and we have approved it. We regret far more than the P and 0 C. can, the heavy cest (see desp on 27987) but we have acquiesced. ( The exact details of the scheme still await the decision •If the Consulting Engineers) Half the cost of the work is being defrayed from balances - i.e. by the general community- and it seems to me per- fectly reasonable that the shipping should pay the rest. The idea underlying this letter appears to be that nobody should be taxed for anything that is not immediately bene- ficial te kin This is new dectrine, the adoption of which in this country might inconvenience the Changeller of the the argument proves too much for ExZehequer. Moreover by parity of reasoning it might be A expenditure argued that as certain harbour at the prevision 240 of eering-buoys- for the benefit of ●cean-geing steamers nfly therefore only scean-going steamers should pay for the it principle is question. 31. for will be Ce at all fori receipts "The expanded Po. the *< -LL0897 *80-4-0009-6161- 20-01-0000-82091-PAIS VA These shipping firms make their prefit by trading with Hong Kong and theef profits may reasonably be taxed. Moreover para 8 of 11861 skews that the work is really a cenvenience to all the shipping frequenting the kar- beur. 3 The suggestien that Light dues should only be raised te pay for lights is a red-herring of the best type. The dues are raised under section 32 ef the Merchant Shipping Ordinance as 234 # Light or other dues" The dues en dd ecean@geing steamers are levied on put all shipping which enters the waters of the colony. Nothing is said about lights and it is quite reasonable to argue that they are levied as a tell for permission to use the anchorage. They might equally well be called "Anchorage dues" er "Harbour dues or "Port Dues" or blackmail if the P & O prefer it. In fact in 11861 the Governor said that he had thought of calling them 'Harbour Dues" but had decided not to do so as people were used to the old name. It is worth mentioning that the dues were 24 cents per ten until Dec 1907. ? Reply that the S of S regrets the necessity of ineur- ring se large an expenditure but that the Government of the Calony considers it indispensable and that he is not prepared to reject their advice in such a matter; that the werk is being carried out in accordance with the best professional advice and that it will be done as economic- ally as is consistent with efficiency. that the general community is paying for half of the eest and that the S of S considers that, having regard te the present financial situation, they cannot be expected te de nere and tht he sees nothing unreasenable in levying a tax on shipping for improvements to the harbour which that shipping uses even though the particular impreveuent in question is not of immediate benefit te #cean-geing steamers but that as a matter of fact ( bere quete para 8) of 11861) all shipping really benefits indirectly by the new work. And as to the question of Light aues observe
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Sir C Luo as

As we have accepted the Governor's prepesals

there is not muck use in sending this complaint out. We had

better answer it ourselves.

The facts are the st. The disastreus typheen of Sept 06

showed the necessity of a shelter for native eraft etc.

The original estimate was roughly fixed at 600,000 dollars

but when it came to the peint it preved that the cost would i be much greater- about $1,540,000 ● which must be added

anether

000 70,00 før dredging. In present cireumastances this

is a very lagge sun to provide from general revenue and

accordingly the Gaverner preposed that half should be paid

from balances and half by a temperary additional tax en shipping. ( see 11861- for details) Part of this tax-(which takes the form of an increase to the so-called Light Dues)

appearath falls on river steamers- whe will probably' to some extent

benefit directly. The rest it was proposed to raise by

a a half increasing the dues en @cean-going ships by one cents per ten Subsequently it was decided that the increase should only

be one cent, thus just doubling the existing dues. This is

what the present letter is pretesting against.

The scheme is considered to be imperative by the Govern- ment and we have approved it. We regret far more than the P and 0 C. can, the heavy cest (see desp on 27987) but we have acquiesced. ( The exact details of the scheme still await the decision •If the Consulting Engineers) Half the cost of the work is being defrayed from balances - i.e. by the general community- and it seems to me per- fectly reasonable that the shipping should pay the rest. The idea underlying this letter appears to be that nobody

should be taxed for anything that is not immediately bene- ficial te kin This is new dectrine, the adoption of which

in this country might inconvenience the Changeller of the

the argument proves too much for

ExZehequer. Moreover by parity of reasoning it might be

A

expenditure

argued that as certain harbour at

the prevision

240

of eering-buoys- for the benefit of ●cean-geing steamers nfly therefore only scean-going steamers should pay for the

it

principle is question. 31.

for will be

Ce at all fori receipts "The expanded

Po. the

*< -LL0897

*80-4-0009-6161- 20-01-0000-82091-PAIS VA

These shipping firms make their prefit by trading with

Hong Kong and theef profits may reasonably be taxed.

Moreover para 8 of 11861 skews that the work is really

a cenvenience to all the shipping frequenting the kar-

beur.

3

The suggestien that Light dues should only be raised te pay for lights is a red-herring of the best type. The dues are raised under section 32 ef the Merchant Shipping Ordinance as

234

# Light or other dues" The dues en dd ecean@geing steamers are levied on put all shipping which enters the waters of the colony. Nothing is said about lights and it is quite reasonable to argue that they are levied as a tell for permission to use the anchorage. They might equally well be called "Anchorage dues" er "Harbour dues or "Port Dues" or blackmail if the P & O

prefer it. In fact in 11861 the Governor said that he had thought of calling them 'Harbour Dues" but had decided not to do so as people were used to the old name.

It is worth mentioning that the dues were 24 cents per

ten until Dec 1907.

? Reply that the S of S regrets the necessity of ineur-

ring se large an expenditure but that the Government of

the Calony considers it indispensable and that he is not

prepared to reject their advice in such a matter; that the

werk is being carried out in accordance with the best

professional advice and that it will be done as economic-

ally as is consistent with efficiency.

that the general community is paying for half of the

eest and that the S of S considers that, having regard te

the present financial situation, they cannot be expected

te de nere and tht he sees nothing unreasenable in levying

a tax on shipping for improvements to the harbour which that shipping uses even though the particular impreveuent

in question is not of immediate benefit te #cean-geing steamers but that as a matter of fact ( bere quete para 8)

of 11861) all shipping really benefits indirectly by the new work. And as to the question of Light aues observe

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